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Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
2006-03-08 23:59:49 UTC
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Group;
I have 2 PPro200 DEC machines. One runs Linux server, the other Windows Me.

The Me machine is awfully slow. I thought it might be the 4.3 GB hard
drive, so I put a 1.2GB hard drive in just to test; it's slow too.

Can a power supply still work but make a machine slow down somehow? I have
192 MB of 72 pin SIMM's in this machine. Otherwise it is original.

Thanks

Doug
Ben Myers
2006-03-09 00:34:06 UTC
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Doug,

The power supply will not have an effect on the speed of the computer.

The answer to your question is that Windows ME is a rotten slug and unreliable
to boot. Linux is lean and mean and reliable. No contest here... Ben Myers

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:59:49 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Group;
I have 2 PPro200 DEC machines. One runs Linux server, the other Windows Me.
The Me machine is awfully slow. I thought it might be the 4.3 GB hard
drive, so I put a 1.2GB hard drive in just to test; it's slow too.
Can a power supply still work but make a machine slow down somehow? I have
192 MB of 72 pin SIMM's in this machine. Otherwise it is original.
Thanks
Doug
Ben Myers
2006-03-09 02:42:00 UTC
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The second answer to your question is that more memory would help Windows ME
limp along a little faster. If the system has 192MB, then it probably has 6 x
32MB? Any spare SIMM sockets? I forget. It's been a while since I messed with
the DEC PPro machines. Single or dual processor? For ME, it won't matter,
because ME would not know what to do with a second processor. Windows NT 4.0
would. Linux sure would... Ben Myers
Post by Ben Myers
Doug,
The power supply will not have an effect on the speed of the computer.
The answer to your question is that Windows ME is a rotten slug and unreliable
to boot. Linux is lean and mean and reliable. No contest here... Ben Myers
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:59:49 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Group;
I have 2 PPro200 DEC machines. One runs Linux server, the other Windows Me.
The Me machine is awfully slow. I thought it might be the 4.3 GB hard
drive, so I put a 1.2GB hard drive in just to test; it's slow too.
Can a power supply still work but make a machine slow down somehow? I have
192 MB of 72 pin SIMM's in this machine. Otherwise it is original.
Thanks
Doug
Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
2006-03-10 03:22:39 UTC
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Hey Ben;

Thanks for the replies.

Both drives I tried had ME on them, one installed on a different machine. I
have ME on a Dec Venturis P166 and it's fine. I think the PPro is in
trouble somewhere, just don't know. My PPro server is great. Maybe I'll
get rid of ME and see. XP will run on 192 MB of SIMM's, and yes, there are
6 slots and with EDO, 192 MB is maximum. Double that for fast page mode :)

d
Post by Ben Myers
The second answer to your question is that more memory would help Windows ME
limp along a little faster. If the system has 192MB, then it probably has 6 x
32MB? Any spare SIMM sockets? I forget. It's been a while since I messed with
the DEC PPro machines. Single or dual processor? For ME, it won't matter,
because ME would not know what to do with a second processor. Windows NT 4.0
would. Linux sure would... Ben Myers
Post by Ben Myers
Doug,
The power supply will not have an effect on the speed of the computer.
The answer to your question is that Windows ME is a rotten slug and unreliable
to boot. Linux is lean and mean and reliable. No contest here... Ben Myers
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:59:49 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Group;
I have 2 PPro200 DEC machines. One runs Linux server, the other Windows Me.
The Me machine is awfully slow. I thought it might be the 4.3 GB hard
drive, so I put a 1.2GB hard drive in just to test; it's slow too.
Can a power supply still work but make a machine slow down somehow? I have
192 MB of 72 pin SIMM's in this machine. Otherwise it is original.
Thanks
Doug
Ben Myers
2006-03-10 06:20:39 UTC
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Any yellow exclamation points next to hardware in the Device Manager panel? You
may need chipset drivers, and there may not be ME chipset drivers for a Pentium
Pro. (Intel's web site does not have any.) The PPro systems use the 440FX
chipset, for which NT and Windows 2000 drivers are available. Pentium Pro
systems were intended to run NT 4.0, and not Win 95/98. By the time Windows ME
was released, the Pentium Pro had become and afterthought... Ben Myers

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:22:39 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Hey Ben;
Thanks for the replies.
Both drives I tried had ME on them, one installed on a different machine. I
have ME on a Dec Venturis P166 and it's fine. I think the PPro is in
trouble somewhere, just don't know. My PPro server is great. Maybe I'll
get rid of ME and see. XP will run on 192 MB of SIMM's, and yes, there are
6 slots and with EDO, 192 MB is maximum. Double that for fast page mode :)
d
Post by Ben Myers
The second answer to your question is that more memory would help Windows ME
limp along a little faster. If the system has 192MB, then it probably has 6 x
32MB? Any spare SIMM sockets? I forget. It's been a while since I messed with
the DEC PPro machines. Single or dual processor? For ME, it won't matter,
because ME would not know what to do with a second processor. Windows NT 4.0
would. Linux sure would... Ben Myers
Post by Ben Myers
Doug,
The power supply will not have an effect on the speed of the computer.
The answer to your question is that Windows ME is a rotten slug and unreliable
to boot. Linux is lean and mean and reliable. No contest here... Ben Myers
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:59:49 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Group;
I have 2 PPro200 DEC machines. One runs Linux server, the other Windows Me.
The Me machine is awfully slow. I thought it might be the 4.3 GB hard
drive, so I put a 1.2GB hard drive in just to test; it's slow too.
Can a power supply still work but make a machine slow down somehow? I have
192 MB of 72 pin SIMM's in this machine. Otherwise it is original.
Thanks
Doug
Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
2006-03-11 13:07:07 UTC
Permalink
Today I will get rid of that pesky ME and see what happens. I have NT4
(won't use it), 2000, XP, and all the new Linux. Probably just do XP
again. It's nice.

doug
Post by Ben Myers
Any yellow exclamation points next to hardware in the Device Manager panel? You
may need chipset drivers, and there may not be ME chipset drivers for a Pentium
Pro. (Intel's web site does not have any.) The PPro systems use the 440FX
chipset, for which NT and Windows 2000 drivers are available. Pentium Pro
systems were intended to run NT 4.0, and not Win 95/98. By the time Windows ME
was released, the Pentium Pro had become and afterthought... Ben Myers
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:22:39 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Hey Ben;
Thanks for the replies.
Both drives I tried had ME on them, one installed on a different machine.
I
have ME on a Dec Venturis P166 and it's fine. I think the PPro is in
trouble somewhere, just don't know. My PPro server is great. Maybe I'll
get rid of ME and see. XP will run on 192 MB of SIMM's, and yes, there are
6 slots and with EDO, 192 MB is maximum. Double that for fast page mode
:)
d
Post by Ben Myers
The second answer to your question is that more memory would help
Windows
ME
limp along a little faster. If the system has 192MB, then it probably
has
6 x
32MB? Any spare SIMM sockets? I forget. It's been a while since I messed with
the DEC PPro machines. Single or dual processor? For ME, it won't matter,
because ME would not know what to do with a second processor. Windows
NT
4.0
would. Linux sure would... Ben Myers
Post by Ben Myers
Doug,
The power supply will not have an effect on the speed of the computer.
The answer to your question is that Windows ME is a rotten slug and unreliable
to boot. Linux is lean and mean and reliable. No contest here... Ben Myers
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:59:49 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Group;
I have 2 PPro200 DEC machines. One runs Linux server, the other
Windows
Me.
The Me machine is awfully slow. I thought it might be the 4.3 GB hard
drive, so I put a 1.2GB hard drive in just to test; it's slow too.
Can a power supply still work but make a machine slow down somehow? I have
192 MB of 72 pin SIMM's in this machine. Otherwise it is original.
Thanks
Doug
Ben Myers
2006-03-11 14:28:48 UTC
Permalink
A PPro system will do generally do a lot better with any of the OSes you have
there, but XP is too darn bloated to run respectably on a 200MHz system with
only 192MB. XP limps along pretty badly on the low-ball 128MB 2+GHz P4 systems
sold by some of the stupid name-brand companies. Think how it would run with
CPU 1/10 the speed. I've made a fair amount of money selling upgrades for those
memory-challenged systems.

Personally, I think that Win 2000 is the best non-Linux choice... Ben Myers

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:07:07 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Today I will get rid of that pesky ME and see what happens. I have NT4
(won't use it), 2000, XP, and all the new Linux. Probably just do XP
again. It's nice.
doug
Post by Ben Myers
Any yellow exclamation points next to hardware in the Device Manager panel? You
may need chipset drivers, and there may not be ME chipset drivers for a Pentium
Pro. (Intel's web site does not have any.) The PPro systems use the 440FX
chipset, for which NT and Windows 2000 drivers are available. Pentium Pro
systems were intended to run NT 4.0, and not Win 95/98. By the time Windows ME
was released, the Pentium Pro had become and afterthought... Ben Myers
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:22:39 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Hey Ben;
Thanks for the replies.
Both drives I tried had ME on them, one installed on a different machine.
I
have ME on a Dec Venturis P166 and it's fine. I think the PPro is in
trouble somewhere, just don't know. My PPro server is great. Maybe I'll
get rid of ME and see. XP will run on 192 MB of SIMM's, and yes, there are
6 slots and with EDO, 192 MB is maximum. Double that for fast page mode
:)
d
Post by Ben Myers
The second answer to your question is that more memory would help
Windows
ME
limp along a little faster. If the system has 192MB, then it probably
has
6 x
32MB? Any spare SIMM sockets? I forget. It's been a while since I messed with
the DEC PPro machines. Single or dual processor? For ME, it won't matter,
because ME would not know what to do with a second processor. Windows
NT
4.0
would. Linux sure would... Ben Myers
Post by Ben Myers
Doug,
The power supply will not have an effect on the speed of the computer.
The answer to your question is that Windows ME is a rotten slug and unreliable
to boot. Linux is lean and mean and reliable. No contest here... Ben Myers
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:59:49 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Group;
I have 2 PPro200 DEC machines. One runs Linux server, the other
Windows
Me.
The Me machine is awfully slow. I thought it might be the 4.3 GB hard
drive, so I put a 1.2GB hard drive in just to test; it's slow too.
Can a power supply still work but make a machine slow down somehow? I have
192 MB of 72 pin SIMM's in this machine. Otherwise it is original.
Thanks
Doug
Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
2006-03-16 02:18:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ben Myers
A PPro system will do generally do a lot better with any of the OSes you have
there, but XP is too darn bloated to run respectably on a 200MHz system with
only 192MB. XP limps along pretty badly on the low-ball 128MB 2+GHz P4 systems
sold by some of the stupid name-brand companies. Think how it would run with
CPU 1/10 the speed. I've made a fair amount of money selling upgrades for those
memory-challenged systems.
Personally, I think that Win 2000 is the best non-Linux choice... Ben Myers
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:07:07 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Today I will get rid of that pesky ME and see what happens. I have NT4
(won't use it), 2000, XP, and all the new Linux. Probably just do XP
again. It's nice.
doug
Post by Ben Myers
Any yellow exclamation points next to hardware in the Device Manager panel? You
may need chipset drivers, and there may not be ME chipset drivers for a Pentium
Pro. (Intel's web site does not have any.) The PPro systems use the 440FX
chipset, for which NT and Windows 2000 drivers are available. Pentium Pro
systems were intended to run NT 4.0, and not Win 95/98. By the time Windows ME
was released, the Pentium Pro had become and afterthought... Ben Myers
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:22:39 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Hey Ben;
Thanks for the replies.
Both drives I tried had ME on them, one installed on a different machine.
I
have ME on a Dec Venturis P166 and it's fine. I think the PPro is in
trouble somewhere, just don't know. My PPro server is great. Maybe I'll
get rid of ME and see. XP will run on 192 MB of SIMM's, and yes, there are
6 slots and with EDO, 192 MB is maximum. Double that for fast page mode
:)
d
Post by Ben Myers
The second answer to your question is that more memory would help
Windows
ME
limp along a little faster. If the system has 192MB, then it probably
has
6 x
32MB? Any spare SIMM sockets? I forget. It's been a while since I messed with
the DEC PPro machines. Single or dual processor? For ME, it won't matter,
because ME would not know what to do with a second processor. Windows
NT
4.0
would. Linux sure would... Ben Myers
Post by Ben Myers
Doug,
The power supply will not have an effect on the speed of the computer.
The answer to your question is that Windows ME is a rotten slug and unreliable
to boot. Linux is lean and mean and reliable. No contest here...
Ben
Myers
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:59:49 GMT, "Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress"
Post by Doug Holtz NOSPAM in adress
Group;
I have 2 PPro200 DEC machines. One runs Linux server, the other
Windows
Me.
The Me machine is awfully slow. I thought it might be the 4.3 GB hard
drive, so I put a 1.2GB hard drive in just to test; it's slow too.
Can a power supply still work but make a machine slow down somehow?
I
have
192 MB of 72 pin SIMM's in this machine. Otherwise it is original.
Thanks
Doug
Ben;

Decided not to mess with it for now. Just did another Me update :(

doug

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